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PostSubject: 1936 Ford "Billetproof Coupe"   Mon 11 Mar 2013, 2:54 am

This is a build that I will be doing next. I will probably be doing a little on it while I finish the 1937 slant back.

The Billetproof Rod Run will have another Model Contest this year. It will also have a theme build. The theme is to build the car from last years event shirt. The shirt had a 1936 Ford on it. So this is my plan. I am going to use the 1936 Monogram 3 window Ford Coupe. Since the Billetproof is a lot of traditional rods and a lot of Rat Rods I am going to try to build a home made hotrod. Old car found in the next county and a junk yard engine for power.



And the junk yard find for the engine will be.





I think I will start with the engine. Then I can decide if it will have fender on it or not.

Thanks for looking in all question and comments are welcome.

The show is June 25th so I have a little running time.
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PostSubject: Re: 1936 Ford "Billetproof Coupe"   Mon 11 Mar 2013, 3:12 am

Oh boy !! Bring on the popcorn !!

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PostSubject: Re: 1936 Ford "Billetproof Coupe"   Mon 11 Mar 2013, 3:22 am

Thanks for all the replies. This will be a little different for me, so bare with me.

Well now that I have my Community Project build done I can get back to this one.

Since the Billetproof is about 75% Rat Rods I am kinda going there. Maybe all Billetproof events aren't like the one near me but at this one there are a bunch of Rat Rods each year. Some older customs also 50's and 60's stuff.

So I have a basic idea in my head but no clear picture of the car. I am hoping that will come later. So here we go.

First things first put the engine together so I can see what I have to do to get it to fit.

This is the Ross Gibson engine right out of the package.



As a reminder this is the kit I am using. It is one of the first generation RG engines but seems well detailed. Needs a lot more cleaning up than the newer ones but it's not that big of deal. The resin is easy to work with.



After getting everything cleaned up and washing the engine I painted the main colors. I will add detail later.



Here is the first test fit.



That was enough to let me know this thing will not have fenders. Or if I use fenders then I need a different engine. Without the fenders it looks like this.





At this point it became clear that the kit frame was going to need some work. The floorboards needed to be reworked to make room for the transmission and engine.



So after about an hours work with a #11 blade and a 6" mill file I ended up with this.



I cut off the front bumper brackets but kept them. Right now I am thinking no front bumper but that may change. I left the rear brackets because I haven't thought that far into it.

So now we know that the engine will fit, may have to recess the firewall a little to move it back but maybe not. Now I guess I will put the rest of the engine together and make sure it will look like I want it to look.

Thanks for looking in. All questions and comments are welcome.





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PostSubject: Re: 1936 Ford "Billetproof Coupe"   Mon 11 Mar 2013, 3:30 am

Hmmm, dont know. fat fendered rods really dont look so good fenderless. Does the engine seem larger scale than the car?

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PostSubject: Re: 1936 Ford "Billetproof Coupe"   Mon 11 Mar 2013, 3:40 am

Thanks Sam.

Well tomorrow is the Northwest NNL in Portland. I was emptying my camera and putting in new batteries. I decided to update this build with the few pictures I have.

Tomorrow will be Round 2 for the Sharksrealm Camaro and the 49 resin Merc. Last time the Merc lost it's doors to a sudden wind storm. This time I won't be so easy. (I hope)

So since the last update on the 36. With the frame opened up I could get the engine to the rear enough but the angle was pretty steep. I had a transmission mount that leveled things up and then the engine didn't come far enough back. So I had to shorten the cowl 5/16" So now we have a flat firewall and the engine fits and is level. I think that the biggest parts of the build are over. I haven't even thought about a stance so I shouldn't say that. Here are some pictures.

Cut the floor board out to make room for the transmission. I went to the scrap yard and found an old interior and cut the tunnel out of it. I think it was from a T-bird but I am not sure.





This one shows you how much I had to take from the firewall.



New tunnel in and floorboard shortened. Yes the putty is homemade. It's MEK and small chunks of spruce put into it. It all melts together and makes a perfect filler.




Here is the new firewall.



So that's it for now. After the NNL I will be able to work on this a little more.

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PostSubject: Re: 1936 Ford "Billetproof Coupe"   Mon 11 Mar 2013, 4:05 am

It's been awhile since an update. I have been busy with a couple other projects around the house. Remodeled the kitchen and changed the Dungeon around so I could add a lit display case for models. Now that is out of the way it's time for this one again.

Since the last update I have filled in the openings in the back of the body where the fender would go. With the shortened firewall it makes it look like an old dirt tracker.



With the body channeled over the frame the seat was way to tall and leaned forward on a funny angle. So I eyeball shortened the seat and changed the angle it sits on the floor at.



Then I cut some .030" flat styrene to fill in the empty places on the frame.



So with all that done I did a mock up to try and get an idea of a ride height. I still haven't made up my mind on wheels and tires yet. I found this set in my stash. I am not sure what they are off of. Looks like 3 bar spinner hubcaps with a wide whitewall. Also not sure I can get the car this low. I would have to undo all I have done and Z the frame in the back.



So that's where we are at. I will work out the suspension now and try to get a decent stance for it
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PostSubject: Re: 1936 Ford "Billetproof Coupe"   Mon 11 Mar 2013, 4:07 am

Buck, its only been like 10 minutes. :D

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PostSubject: Re: 1936 Ford "Billetproof Coupe"   Mon 11 Mar 2013, 4:26 am

Thanks for all the comments guys. They really are appreciated. I was emptying the memory card in my camera, getting ready for the Elks Show in Puyallup tomorrow so decided to do a little update. Not much but, I think, good stuff. Finally I can see the car in my head. That's a lot better way to go. Now I have a goal to build to.

I decided to use the rumble seat (mother-in-laws seat) and did the interior colors in Flat Red and Flat Black Primer. Then added a quick coat of Krylon Satin Crystal Clear. This will give you an idea.



Also was digging around for wheels and tires so more. The 1937 Cord (that will be the Cordette one of these days) gave up it's wheels and tires. Then I found out the little tires with the three bar spinner were the same size in side, so I made 2 sets of bigs and littles. One set with the three bar spinner and one set with the 1937 Cord wheels. Since this is supposed to be a first hot rod that is junk yard parts I went with the 1937 Cord wheels.





At Model Fest I bought 12 of the Big Buick Finned Brake Drums from a vendor for 2 bucks in a little zip lock baggie. I know that The finned Buick brakes were the way to go in the late 50's and early 60's so I decided to use up a set. With a Dremel and a 12 Mill File I got them to this stage.



I cut off the spindle part for the metal axle and drill them down the middle to the same size as the 1936 axles. Here they are mocked up with Handy Tack.





Also messed around with some other parts. Got the fuel tank cleaned up and fitted in. Also all the seats are done, Interior and rumble.

I guess that's about it for now. The weather turned off good so spent some time outside. Planting stuff and doing lawn work. Now with all that behind me I can do more to finish this up.

Thanks for looking in. See ya in a week or so. All questions and comments are welcome.

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PostSubject: Re: 1936 Ford "Billetproof Coupe"   Mon 11 Mar 2013, 4:29 am

Why do I feel like I'm being ignored? :lol!:

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PostSubject: Re: 1936 Ford "Billetproof Coupe"   Mon 11 Mar 2013, 4:40 am

Thanks to everyone for following along and the comments. Max that is not the final color, just a working primer. I am thinking that Flat Black will be the final color. I am thinking that the time frame of the build is like 1962 or 63. The idea being that it is a kids first car and he is putting it together with what he can find and afford at the local junk yard. I don't remember many gray or red primer cars in that time frame, but flat black primer was everywhere.

With the body and interior handled it was time to start to finish the engine so I can get an idea of the full effect.

I started out by drilling the distributor and adding black spark plug wires. Also the distributor sat to low (IMHO) so I drilled it and added a piece of 1/16" aluminum tubing.



That got me to this point. I studied it for awhile before I figured out what was wrong.



The problem was the power steering pump. This car would never have been built with power steering. The kid is using a stock 1936 frame and suspension. So with the intakes installed and the power steering pump removed we ended up here.



With the spark plug wires, starter, back of alternator, exhaust manifolds, and fuel pump installed we ended up looking like this.







That should give everyone an idea of what it will look like when done. I still need to add the fan belt, carburetors and air cleaners but you get it. Now I can move on to the fit of the finished engine and rear end. I am going to use the stock 1936 rear end and enclosed drive line.

Thanks for looking in and following along. See ya in a couple days with another update.

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PostSubject: Re: 1936 Ford "Billetproof Coupe"   Mon 11 Mar 2013, 4:41 am

Max ?!?! Its SAM !!! :D

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PostSubject: Re: 1936 Ford "Billetproof Coupe"   Mon 11 Mar 2013, 4:41 am

Sam you are not being ignored. What did you say? :bounce:
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PostSubject: Re: 1936 Ford "Billetproof Coupe"   Mon 11 Mar 2013, 4:42 am

Yes Al, I drilled the distributor. I have drilling them all along, just seems normal now. At first it was a bear to drill them. I was using a .025" drill bit which is to big. Now I measure the wire I am using for the spark plug wires and go one drill bit size bigger. So it's normal to use a .015" drill bit. Most of my plug wire is .013". I hope this helps.

.013" wire is 28 or 30 guage in craft wire.
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PostSubject: Re: 1936 Ford "Billetproof Coupe"   Mon 11 Mar 2013, 4:44 am

I'm just filling in the blanks. :D

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PostSubject: Re: 1936 Ford "Billetproof Coupe"   Mon 11 Mar 2013, 4:59 am

Thanks for all the comments guys. They are appreciated. It's been 67 days since the last update. I didn't realize that much time had flown by.

I got quite a bit done since the last update. Engine is finished and in the chassis. Front and rear suspension in place and wheels and tires on it. Now I have an idea of how the exhaust will work out. so on to the pictures.

Finished engine.





Here is the engine fitted into the chassis. Gives you an idea of the look I am after.



With that done I could start to work on a front end for it. The radiator will have to be shortened about .187 " or 3/16 or 7.55 MM. But I have enough info to get started. I took the grille, hood and grille surround and taped them all together.



Then I MEK'ed the surround to the hood. after it had set for a couple minutes I used a saw and cut the hood even with the surround. Then applied some home made filler and now it look like this.



with grille installed.



Then I took some .100 styrene rectangle and made headlight mounts. When it was all sanded and primered it looked like this.



All finished with a little BMF work it looks like this.



So with the body in paint, front end done, and the chassis done(wheels and tires from 1937 Cord on rear 1937 Cord wheels and junk yard tires up front) this is how it looks.



So now it's down to the DooDah stuff, I will do a dash, exhaust system, come up with some taillights, and I think it will be done. Probably one more update before the NMA. It will be ready for the Billetproof Show next month.

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