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PostSubject: Re: Community Build #7 WWII Ships and Sailing ships   Wed 15 Jul 2015, 3:26 am

Haven't given up on the aircraft carrier Lexington yet, waiting to buy
brake fluid so I can strip the deck. In the meantime I have started
something easy, REAL EASY!. It is the HobbyBoss 1/350 submarine
Miami SSN 755. It is a Los Angeles class nuclear sub, I decided on the
Miami because my nephew did his first tour in the silent service on it,
I am pretty sure. The kit has 3 choices, I am doing the newest version
the 688i capable of ice polar exploration and VLS Tomahawks. Here is
where I am at so far. Hull together, sail on, front dive plane on, rear vertical fins on,
cleats on and stand built. I am going to mask and paint the bottom hull red before I
assemble any more parts. Some of these parts are very tiny!---John




JohnV posted tis in te wrong place. I moved it for him. This is not my build.
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PostSubject: Re: Community Build #7 WWII Ships and Sailing ships   Wed 15 Jul 2015, 12:24 pm

Thanks for moving it. Senior moment. I will be masking and painting the bottom hull soon.---John
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PostSubject: Re: Community Build #7 WWII Ships and Sailing ships   Wed 05 Aug 2015, 6:58 pm

I put the Lexington deck in a plastic container and covered it with Simple Green.
I was going to use brake fluid but it is too caustic and very hard to get rid of.
I read on another site that Simple Green works as good and seeing as though it
is a house hold cleaner it is no hard to dispose of. You can also cover it and it
keeps for months or years. I am going back to building guns and gun tubs for the
Lexington. I also bought the red for the sub Miami's hull. Will be masking and painting
that soon.---John
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PostSubject: Re: Community Build #7 WWII Ships and Sailing ships   Thu 06 Aug 2015, 12:33 am

I hope the "simple green" has the power.  Let us know how it goes.  Good luck on the sub.  Sometimes there's enuf detail and/or photo etched products to make them look more authentic.  Good luck!
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PostSubject: Re: Community Build #7 WWII Ships and Sailing ships   Thu 06 Aug 2015, 1:53 am

Can you please give me some details on the simple green, I'll see if I can find the equivalent here.
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PostSubject: Re: Community Build #7 WWII Ships and Sailing ships   Thu 06 Aug 2015, 1:31 pm

harron here, as a third party, will just add that a google search "simple green cleaner ingredients" gets multiple sites for it.  I just wonder if anything so mild would necessarily lift paint.  Also, petroleum based paint (enamels, lacquers) may be more resistant to it than water based paint.  Maybe You Tube on model paint strippers may have something too.
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PostSubject: Re: Community Build #7 WWII Ships and Sailing ships   Thu 06 Aug 2015, 6:38 pm

It is not so "mild" as you think. It can be used 1:1 with water, 1:10 or 1:30 as
a household cleaner. It also can be used full strength for grease and paint removal.
I got most of the paint off with it diluted with a bit of water, not what I originally
wanted but there wasn't enough in the almost empty bottle. I went out and bought
a full jug and am now immersing the parts in FULL STRENGTH solution for 24 hours.
So far so good, let you know results tomorrow. It is NOT Dawn or some dish washing
stuff, READ THE BOTTLE folks!---John


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PostSubject: Re: Community Build #7 WWII Ships and Sailing ships   Thu 06 Aug 2015, 7:04 pm

Hmmmm..... it may not be so 'simple' as it appears:

Simple Green

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PostSubject: Re: Community Build #7 WWII Ships and Sailing ships   Thu 06 Aug 2015, 7:35 pm

That add comes from 2011 when it contained butoxyethanol, I do believe it was taken out
of the ingredients a few years ago, it is NOT listed as an ingredient on the bottle I just
purchased. I will do some further reading.---John
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PostSubject: Re: Community Build #7 WWII Ships and Sailing ships   Thu 06 Aug 2015, 11:36 pm

I just checked on it. Looks good. It was 24 hours in diluted solution and 5 hours
in straight from the bottle no dilution. The paint, 2 layers, peeled off then I took an
old tooth brush and scoured it, with gloves on. It looks 100% better, not perfect but
salvageable. Now I can respray it dark gray, Testors Gunship Gray, like I should have.
It had one coat of Testors enamel tan and one coat of Testors enamel Gunship Gray
on it. I don't recommend this to anyone as I have no knowledge of what is really in
it, could be a toxic green concoction in disguise. But I know what to do if the need
arises again.---John
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PostSubject: Re: Community Build #7 WWII Ships and Sailing ships   Fri 07 Aug 2015, 3:29 am

Glad it worked out for ya.
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PostSubject: Re: Community Build #7 WWII Ships and Sailing ships   Wed 12 Aug 2015, 8:39 pm

I masked and painted the lower hull of my Miami submarine. I used Tamiya TS-39
Mica Red in the spray can. Once it sets up I can mask and paint the upper hull
semi gloss black.---John
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PostSubject: Re: Community Build #7 WWII Ships and Sailing ships   Thu 13 Aug 2015, 3:04 am

Well done.  Be sure to let paint dry fully before masking.  I used to rush things myself and regretted it.  You don't want to do another dip in the pond.
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PostSubject: Re: Community Build #7 WWII Ships and Sailing ships   Thu 13 Aug 2015, 5:16 am

harron68 wrote:
Well done.  Be sure to let paint dry fully before masking.  I used to rush things myself and regretted it.  You don't want to do another dip in the pond.
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PostSubject: Re: Community Build #7 WWII Ships and Sailing ships   Thu 13 Aug 2015, 8:43 am

That's neat masking John but I can't help wondering why you are masking twice?

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PostSubject: Re: Community Build #7 WWII Ships and Sailing ships   Thu 13 Aug 2015, 4:21 pm

Masking twice? Huh? You can do both colors at once? Please elaborate.---John
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PostSubject: Re: Community Build #7 WWII Ships and Sailing ships   Thu 13 Aug 2015, 5:50 pm

No not both at once.

My way would be to spray the red over the area you want it on WITHOUT masking. When dry, mask off the area you want red, then spray the black.

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PostSubject: Re: Community Build #7 WWII Ships and Sailing ships   Thu 13 Aug 2015, 6:19 pm

Did that once and ended up binning model. Tape pulled off first color,
not sure if tape was too stickey or paint not cured, never did that method
again, I am a creature of habit, try NOT to repeat my bad ones.---John
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PostSubject: Re: Community Build #7 WWII Ships and Sailing ships   Thu 13 Aug 2015, 10:20 pm

The problem was most likely one of the following John:

Poor preparation of the plastic before applying primer.

Poor primer.

Over agressive masking tape.

Being over agressive in removing masking tape.

Get that lot right and you shouldn't have any problems.

It has happened to me of course but each time it has, I have been able to identify at least one or more of the above as the cause.

BTW..... the best tape to use IMO is Tamiya. The yellowish stuff.

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PostSubject: Re: Community Build #7 WWII Ships and Sailing ships   Fri 14 Aug 2015, 10:42 am

After spraying one colour, walk away and let it dry overnight before masking.....and everything that Al said.
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PostSubject: Re: Community Build #7 WWII Ships and Sailing ships   Fri 14 Aug 2015, 5:24 pm

when tape pulls paint off the plastic it is usually caused by lack of tooth. It other words the plastic or primer was to smooth for the paint to really grip it. also bad tape can do this.I now use 3M masking tape from the Auto Parts store. Comes in 3 different widths and I have had no problems since I started using it. Also following the advice of fellow modelers in SABA be fore I paint I sand the primer lightly with 1000 girt wet and dry paper. It looks smooth and feels smooth but it now has tooth and the next layer of paint will adhere to it.
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