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PostSubject: Moths...........................   Thu 17 Jul 2014, 6:53 pm

This little critter flew in last night,can anyone id it? I am sur Al can..LOL
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PostSubject: Re: Moths...........................   Thu 17 Jul 2014, 7:14 pm

Looks like aethiops or "dark arches" is, i think, their common name.

Moths have varying colours within species but the patterning remains somewhat constant, and this looks to have a similar pattern to what i'm used to up here, where they're almost black.

then again Lepidoptera rates 4th in my range of wildlife knowledge so i could be well off.
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PostSubject: Re: Moths...........................   Thu 17 Jul 2014, 9:18 pm

 ARRHH!....Moths !

I'm not a lover of Moths, I'm afraid.
....since I sucked in a large wood moth while blowing down a cardboard tube as a child.
A mouthful of a fluttering giant moth has scarred me for life !
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PostSubject: Re: Moths...........................   Thu 17 Jul 2014, 9:23 pm

LOL if you think that is bad try this.....I was syphoning some water out of a barrell yonks ago and the tube had ben laying on the ground overnight.........So I ended up with a mouth full of live slug! I retched my guts up and my workmates laughed their nuts off........
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PostSubject: Re: Moths...........................   Thu 17 Jul 2014, 9:45 pm

Yuk !!!
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PostSubject: Re: Moths...........................   Thu 17 Jul 2014, 10:52 pm

I agree with Colin.

It's a Dark Arches (Apamea monoglypha) They are much lighter (almost stone colour) in the Southern regions of the UK and get progressively darker (almost black) as they reach their limit of normal distribution. ie, they get darker the further North they are.

Make the most of them Nige, after August you won't see them again until next June!

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PostSubject: Re: Moths...........................   Fri 18 Jul 2014, 1:30 am

HEY, you guys are making me hungry     All that protein, good for ya !!
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PostSubject: Re: Moths...........................   Fri 18 Jul 2014, 12:26 pm

I wonder about the moth population here in the U.S. After reports that the MONARCH butterflies are about 10% of what they were 50 yrs. ago. Loss of habitat here and in Mexico (their Winter resort) have cut their numbers. Makes me wonder what their predators do for food these days.
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PostSubject: Re: Moths...........................   Fri 18 Jul 2014, 6:10 pm

john2308 wrote:
HEY, you guys are making me hungry      All that protein, good for ya !!

Ask John,he seems to be peckish....LOL
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PostSubject: Re: Moths...........................   Fri 18 Jul 2014, 7:36 pm

10% drop in fifty years is bad enough but here in the UK the satus of common garden butterflies has gone down by 24% in just ten years.

This year I have seen just one butterfly and last year I saw less than a handfull. Thirty years ago when we moved here, the nettles in our second courtyard, used to get covered in Hairy Mary catterpillars, the catterpillar of the Small Tortoise Shell butterfly and we used to get literally hundreds and hundreds hatch into adults. I have seen just two in the last two years.

Moths have suffered a similar decline.  

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PostSubject: Re: Moths...........................   Fri 18 Jul 2014, 7:56 pm

I have noticed that too Al,having moved around over the years (surrey,Northern Ireland and now Cheshire) there are fewer butteflies and moths around.The last time I saw a hoverfly was in surrey - they are funny little critters as the look wasp like but have no stinger and they show mating prowess by hovering in front of you (cute but dumb!) I saw one once and actually brought my hand up and under it so it landed by default on my hand..LOL
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PostSubject: Re: Moths...........................   Fri 18 Jul 2014, 8:39 pm

Bearing in mind we're right next to the pentland hills that are covered in Heather and gorse, we have hardly any butterflies around, this year I've only seen a couple of red admirals and one, yes one, singular cabbage white.
Even my woodbine and honeysuckle only has the odd bee attending occasionally.
Both of these butterflies were found in swarms when I was younger, it's a shame they're dwindling so much, unfortunately, no matter how specific and "safe" weedkillers, fertilisers etc become.. I think this has accelerated the demise due to caterpillars being killed off and/or affected so metamorphosis is corrupted.
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PostSubject: Re: Moths...........................   Fri 18 Jul 2014, 10:27 pm

Estimates on Monarch butterfly numbers are off 90% as best as can be estimated. Much of the loss is due to milkweed family of plants being exterminated from rural areas and developed subdivisions. Add to use of more and new pesticides and likely forest area loss to lumbering in Mexico. Ten per cent left is not many. It's not much to larva at. Moth variety and numbers not as bad off here, so night birds and bats seem to have enough. Bat numbers off due to a disease, "white nose syndrome."
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PostSubject: Re: Moths...........................   Fri 18 Jul 2014, 11:07 pm

I don't know about other areas of the UK and other countries but in my own area, local authorities for the last fifteen years or so, have routinely been cutting roadside verges for at least 15 years. They cut them around once a month. (about six times a year)

They cut them 2yards wide. Translated into acres, this is a one square acre for every 1.4 miles. Multiplied by two, (two sides to a road, remember) and this translates to 2.8 acres of regular grass cutting every 1.4 miles.

What has this got to do with butterflies/moths? Well, before they started cutting goodness knows how many miles of roadside verges, we used to have lot's of lovely wild flowers of a huge variety growing there. Not any more. Flowers that butterflies and moths depended on as a food source.

Doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out what the impact is on the poor little critters.

Then the local authorities have the nerve to complain that they are strapped for cash!!!!

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PostSubject: Re: Moths...........................   Fri 18 Jul 2014, 11:14 pm

They say that cutting the verges cuts down on accidents on country roads, due to increased visibility.

I say if they don't cut them, thus allowing all the extra acreage that Al mentions to remain, then drivers will be forced to slow down on these roads, thus making them safer, people running over less wildlife, hitting less deer at speed.
It would save the council's money and make the roads a little safer.

Those that still want to drive fast and dangerously ..... Well we still need candidates for the Darwin awards.
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PostSubject: Re: Moths...........................   Fri 18 Jul 2014, 11:33 pm

Snake wrote:
Those that still want to drive fast and dangerously .....  Well we still need candidates for the Darwin awards.


   Yep!
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PostSubject: Re: Moths...........................   Sat 19 Jul 2014, 12:34 am

They say that cutting the verges cuts down on accidents on country roads, due to increased visibility. wrote:

I understand and accept that in places but not on straights and particularly not on mile after mile of gently curving dual carriage way.

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PostSubject: Re: Moths...........................   Sat 19 Jul 2014, 12:48 am

I totally agree Al. I'm all for leaving things as they are.
Flora and fauna are there for a reason.
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