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Is the AC Cobra British
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PostSubject: Just for fun   Fri 04 Apr 2014, 7:07 pm

Over on another site we have a 'British' GB running and there has been some (light hearted) contention as to wether the AC Cobra is British or American.

Over the years, most Americans I have talked to regard it as American.

So just for fun, how do you guys regard it?

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PostSubject: Re: Just for fun   Fri 04 Apr 2014, 7:15 pm

The AC Ace which it came from would be British

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PostSubject: Re: Just for fun   Fri 04 Apr 2014, 7:19 pm

I voted "yes"  for British

AC cars are British based in Surrey,  they had Bristol straight 6 engines primarily.
Shelby contacted them and asked if they could modify their chassis to put an American V8 engine in,  this is where the confusion arises as it was then often referred to as the Shelby cobra and the US instinctively thought it was of American origin.
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PostSubject: Re: Just for fun   Fri 04 Apr 2014, 7:25 pm

I think it might be a little of both. The AC part being British and theCobra part being American. I can't see it being either's car alone.
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PostSubject: Re: Just for fun   Fri 04 Apr 2014, 11:21 pm

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PostSubject: Re: Just for fun   Sat 05 Apr 2014, 12:13 am

AC built the small block cars, Mk 1 and 2 in the Thames Ditton factory in England.

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PostSubject: Re: Just for fun   Sat 05 Apr 2014, 3:11 am

I did not vote, because its not clear cut.

If your referring to the small block cars, the 260 and 289, then they are British built. No discussion needed.  If your referring to the 427, then its American, since Shelby brought the dies over to the states , modified them for the big block and then proceeded to build them here in the States.

If you call it American, just because its Ford powered, then you would have to disqualify LOTS of British produced cars. Sunbeam Tiger, Pantera, Aston Martin, etc...
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PostSubject: Re: Just for fun   Sat 05 Apr 2014, 9:43 am

to me its a matter of interpretation

i 'think' of it as american, not british

i 'think' of BMWs as german but they are built in america..............i 'think' of volvo trucks as swedish but they are built in america.................i 'think' of nissans and toyotas as japanese but they are built everywhere!

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PostSubject: Re: Just for fun   Sat 05 Apr 2014, 11:51 am

I voted British, it was only the engine that was from the Colonies and an engine isn't a car, a car is the main body of the vehicle...

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PostSubject: Re: Just for fun   Sat 05 Apr 2014, 2:54 pm

so isnt it now a german car? thought they are made in germany these days

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PostSubject: Re: Just for fun   Sat 05 Apr 2014, 6:22 pm

If it wasn't for AC producing the Ace,
and Ford supplying the engines,
and Carroll Shelby coming up with the idea,
there wouldn't be an AC Cobra.

Actually, it is said, if it wasn't for Carrol Shelby, AC Cars would have
disappeared without trace, because the only thing keeping the company afloat
was the Government contract for Invalid 3 wheel cars.
...but that doesn't mean the AC Cobra is American - more like Transatlantic.

Do you think a 427 in one of these would work ?

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PostSubject: Re: Just for fun   Sat 05 Apr 2014, 9:38 pm

Sam wrote:
I did not vote, because its not clear cut.

If your referring to the small block cars, the 260 and 289, then they are British built. No discussion needed.  If your referring to the 427, then its American, since Shelby brought the dies over to the states , modified them for the big block and then proceeded to build them here in the States.

If you call it American, just because its Ford powered, then you would have to disqualify LOTS of British produced cars. Sunbeam Tiger, Pantera, Aston Martin, etc...

I'd have to go along with Sam on this one   
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PostSubject: Re: Just for fun   Sat 05 Apr 2014, 10:16 pm

Hey! I've driven one of those three wheelers Ron. Nearly turned it over reversing and turning too fast!!   


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PostSubject: Re: Just for fun   Sun 06 Apr 2014, 4:12 am

I agree the small block could be seen as British since AC redesigned the existing car to receive the V8.  But, I believe Ford in Detroit had something to do with redesigning the beefier frame tube/suspension to accept the big block powerplant and Shelby for modified bodywork.  Concept and redesign go to Shelby in the US.

So my vote is small block=British, big block = American.
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PostSubject: Re: Just for fun   Sun 06 Apr 2014, 12:09 pm

I call "British" and what many ford apologists forget is that Shelby went to Chevrolet first
When GM wouldn't sell him engines he went to ford.
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PostSubject: Re: Just for fun   Sun 06 Apr 2014, 2:18 pm

I'm with Sam too. the original Cobra was mostly British, with an American engine. Like...was it the Pantera (?) that was essentially Italian with an American engine, the Cobra mostly was British.
The 427 was built with different...almost everything! That could be said to be American, wide tires, monster engine and suspension designed for the power. Thanx for an interesting debate!
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PostSubject: Re: Just for fun   Sun 06 Apr 2014, 3:25 pm

Wise decision!
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PostSubject: Re: Just for fun   Sun 06 Apr 2014, 5:20 pm

Without Carrol there wouldn't be a Cobra. It has to be classed Amaerican.

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PostSubject: Re: Just for fun   Sun 06 Apr 2014, 9:45 pm

The small block Cobras are A fekin C Cobras and are English.

You can keep the Shelby 427s as American John.
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PostSubject: Re: Just for fun   Sun 06 Apr 2014, 10:57 pm

Is there another engine other than the 427 Shay?  

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PostSubject: Re: Just for fun   Sun 06 Apr 2014, 11:50 pm

They say the small blocks are better to drive John, your old big block Police spec 440 would keep one honest in a straight line though i'd bet  
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PostSubject: Re: Just for fun   Mon 07 Apr 2014, 1:40 am

Shay:  I used to work with a guy that scattered a 440 at close to 130 MPH while rolling to an "Officer needs help" call.  Passed two LA County Sheriff units after he scattered the engine.   

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PostSubject: Re: Just for fun   Mon 07 Apr 2014, 5:26 pm

The AC Ace/Cobra body is as British as Fish'n Chips. The engine however is as American as Apple Pie. This has always been an age ole debate as there are rumors and stories saying that AC wouldn't build nothing for Carroll, so he had to build the body himself. Shelby/Ford's first Cobras has 260cid engines then moved towards the Windsor based 289's, and when Chevy upped the anty then the 427's were born. These cars are 50/50 in my book. Kinda like a lot of other cars that have been built throughout the years (I.E. The Nissan Cherry/Alfa project, Toyota Corolla/Geo-Chevy Prism, et cetera).

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PostSubject: Re: Just for fun   Mon 07 Apr 2014, 5:38 pm

..the steering column came from a VW Beetle - so does it also mean it's German too ???
Steering rack is MGB ??
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PostSubject: Re: Just for fun   Mon 07 Apr 2014, 5:53 pm

MGB helps solidify the "ENGLISH" part, but not enough German in it to amount to anything. LmAo! Kinda like people putting Subaru engines in VW's! Does it make them Gerpan?

  
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