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PostSubject: '66 Mustang Historic Racing Saloon   Mon 30 Sep 2013, 3:47 pm

I thought I had better start a thread on my '66 Shelby Mustang Race Car.
It is hoped that it will help me build a better car - and importantly, get it finished.

   

This is the starter kit : Revell's 1966 Shelby Mustang - only 182,000 miles, one owner : Hertz Rental
I was thinking of using the '70 Mustang from my stash, but as I've had my hands on one of these for real, it's destined for a repro build
- also there is a cut off of Pre-66 for racing these in the Historic Saloon car class in the UK, so it has to be the '66.

 

After checking the background on Historic Racing, I found that the Notchback Mustang was preferred
over the fastback because of it's more rigid structure.    ....Ohh well, it's just like real life already.
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PostSubject: Re: '66 Mustang Historic Racing Saloon   Mon 30 Sep 2013, 5:34 pm

Good start, Nice kit and good research.
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PostSubject: Re: '66 Mustang Historic Racing Saloon   Mon 30 Sep 2013, 7:32 pm

Good luck with it DAD.

Going to do the same with my AMT 66 Knotchback

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PostSubject: Re: '66 Mustang Historic Racing Saloon   Mon 30 Sep 2013, 8:00 pm

Looking good   The notchback didn't flex as much as the fastback did and it was the way the roof was on the body, they both would tighten up when you tied the front and rear frame rails together and where stronger on the unibody also. I've done a bunch of them for customers back in the 70's and early 80's.
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PostSubject: Re: '66 Mustang Historic Racing Saloon   Mon 30 Sep 2013, 10:47 pm

I wish I had forked out the extra cash for the Notchback now - but I'm a skinflint!
However, as in real life, we often get stuck with second best, so I'll stick to my guns with this one.
My plan is (Plan A): I'll be throwing all these bits into my various parts boxes - including bumpers and grille.
The roll cage, etc. will be built onto the chassis section and I'll re-tub the rear arches slightly wider to accommodate the wide minilites.
The fronts are the same section, so I'm going to narrow them down to fit under the wings,
- and I'll be 'welding' up the rear quarter windows
I'll be keeping the wheels Gold and paintwork will be Red and Gold - similar to Alan Mann Racing. - That's Plan A.
Tomorrow after I have thought it all through, I might be onto Plan B.



** Just had another thought: I think I'll keep the gold race stripe decals and use them on the car,
so will just need a good red spray-job ! ..obvious really.
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PostSubject: Re: '66 Mustang Historic Racing Saloon   Mon 30 Sep 2013, 11:03 pm

Good to have backup plans. I rely on them a lot.
Good fortune 'wid it !
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PostSubject: Re: '66 Mustang Historic Racing Saloon   Mon 30 Sep 2013, 11:20 pm

Thanks -  but where do I go when I come to Plan Z ??
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PostSubject: Re: '66 Mustang Historic Racing Saloon   Mon 30 Sep 2013, 11:46 pm

You go to plan AA.
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PostSubject: Re: '66 Mustang Historic Racing Saloon   Wed 02 Oct 2013, 1:58 pm

Okay: Plan B
Because the Mustang has the aerodynamics of a brick, I won’t be welding up the rear quarter windows to gain a theoretical 0.1mph.
I’m going to make these into dif/brake air-cooling ducts.
Door Panels/cards will be fitted to the shell rather than an interior tub and I’m also hoping to find a 427 engine to replace the 350 that comes with the kit.
Plan B (subsection C) :
Fortunately I have located a full cage and won’t be going the full scratch built fabricated plastitube route as anticipated.
(Cheating? I know - but it works).
It is the Tamiya Opel Touring car cage that was going in the ’58 Impala, and will need a little modification to look correct with new wheel tubs.
I hope to attach photos in a few days.

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Caps appeared that I was shouting - and I’m not really that kind of person
....and I felt I had to declare my age, if only to disprove that I'm not Skids Dad !
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PostSubject: Re: '66 Mustang Historic Racing Saloon   Wed 02 Oct 2013, 2:51 pm

Plans B and B(c) sound good Dad.

I still get to call you that as I'm 6 months younger than you!!!  

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PostSubject: Re: '66 Mustang Historic Racing Saloon   Wed 02 Oct 2013, 3:58 pm

"After checking the background on Historic Racing, I found that the Notchback Mustang was preferred over the fastback because of it's more rigid structure."


Not necessarily so. In most cases it was the rules that decided on the body style that was raced. The Sports Car Club of America declared that only the notch back could race as a sedan (AS) and only the sports roof (fastback) could race as a production sports car (BP, AP). The SCCA Trans AM blurred these distinctions and allowed both body styles starting in '69.

Short tracks and NASCAR made their own rules as they saw fit.
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PostSubject: Re: '66 Mustang Historic Racing Saloon   Wed 02 Oct 2013, 6:09 pm

Cool project!
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PostSubject: Re: '66 Mustang Historic Racing Saloon   Thu 03 Oct 2013, 9:15 pm

The GT350 has a 289 with 345hp, hence the model designation. A 24th scale 427 / 428 fe won't fit in between the shock towers on the kit without modification. A 25th scale big block will fit but looks to small. Yes I tried it mine.

You could use the Boss 302 or the 351 Cleveland Mach1 out of the relevent revell '70 kits. The Mach 1 kit you have has both engines in it. Or you could say it's been bored and stroked, I think that the clever engine builders are getting around 450 cubes out of the small block windsor.

Have a look here for what I've been doing to mine
http://s112.photobucket.com/user/stevegt738/library/models/my_models/Ford/Mustangs/65_Shelby%20GT-350R?sort=3&page=1

I'll be away on the bike for the next 3 days, so if you have any Questions I'll answer them when I get back.
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PostSubject: Re: '66 Mustang Historic Racing Saloon   Sat 05 Oct 2013, 12:20 pm

I retired six months ago, however my signwriting skills have been called for this week, so unfortunately little has progressed on the Mustang.

Regarding the preference in Notch to Fastback - much is down to availability here in the UK and early Mustang fastbacks are few and far between,
so consequently there are probably more pre-‘66 Notchbacks built over here as race cars.

Thanks Steve ...it never occurred to me that 350 meant horsepower, I always assumed that it was cubic inches
.....and thanks also for the reference photos of your Mustang build. It’s good to see other ideas.
I have already found the 427 and 429 doesn’t fit between the front suspension turrets, so the CrossBoss inducted 302
from the ’70 Mustang is going in. I like the Autolite inline carbs - but I’ll have to fit a taller scoop/blister.

Incidently, my real ’70 Mustang was an early one, with the 351 Windsor before they started using the Cleveland.
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PostSubject: Re: '66 Mustang Historic Racing Saloon   Sat 05 Oct 2013, 2:46 pm

There is supposed to be a notch back, officially called a hardtop by Ford, being released for 2014. Big toy show this weekend announces such things.
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PostSubject: Re: '66 Mustang Historic Racing Saloon   Sat 05 Oct 2013, 7:39 pm

Love these road race subjects. 001 
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PostSubject: Re: '66 Mustang Historic Racing Saloon   Sat 05 Oct 2013, 8:04 pm

Yeh, the Notchback/Hardtop is on re-release from AMT with lots more parts - but I'm miserly and didn't want to spend the extra money !
...here's a quick teaser photo of how mine is going. Sorry about the quality, no digi-camera, only my phone...told you I was a miser!

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PostSubject: Re: '66 Mustang Historic Racing Saloon   Sat 05 Oct 2013, 8:15 pm

Looking good !
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PostSubject: Re: '66 Mustang Historic Racing Saloon   Sat 05 Oct 2013, 9:08 pm

Thanks - here's another quick photo.
I'll have to get a camera - it doesn't reflect the hours I've put into it so far.

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PostSubject: Re: '66 Mustang Historic Racing Saloon   Sat 05 Oct 2013, 10:03 pm

It looks good DAD but I have to say the cage you are using doesn't look right. It's not period correct.

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PostSubject: Re: '66 Mustang Historic Racing Saloon   Sat 05 Oct 2013, 10:47 pm

...depends what period these cars are racing in, Al.
For 1966, I agree it would never look like that - but multi-point cages are acceptable if the Mustang was raced today
(check Andy Robinson Race Cars).
I admit I’m probably still bending the rules a bit, and the blue book would be thrown at me in real life.
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PostSubject: Re: '66 Mustang Historic Racing Saloon   Sun 06 Oct 2013, 12:20 am

Oh I know Ron. I wasn't having a pop at you, just voicing my opinion.

Why don't you have a go at scratch building a period cage. It really isn't that difficult.

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PostSubject: Re: '66 Mustang Historic Racing Saloon   Sun 06 Oct 2013, 12:00 pm

Looks fine to me.
 
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PostSubject: Re: '66 Mustang Historic Racing Saloon   Sun 06 Oct 2013, 5:03 pm

Love the racing series and love the build! 001
Cant wait to see more.
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PostSubject: Re: '66 Mustang Historic Racing Saloon   Sun 06 Oct 2013, 7:08 pm

I'm not at all miffed Al, I take opinions at face value on here - it's always honest.
If I hadn't had a 'try-fit' of the Tamiya cage and found it good, then I would have gone onto a scratch-build
as detailed in your excellent tutorial, and I still intend to do one in the future.
Hoping to get some paint on the project in the next few days - and I'll try and borrow a decent camera.


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