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PostSubject: 1972 Marlboro BRM P160 F1   Sun 28 Jul 2013, 6:31 pm

The big Brabham BT44 is on temporary hold, as I have run out of satin black paint, for the myriads of suspension bit etc. and I can't get more until tomorrow.

So that was all the excuse I needed to do another quickie.

This is the kit, which I got from Paul (2whl) a while back:



It's a pretty crappie little kit but if you want a Marlboro BRM in 1/24 - 1/25 scale, it's the only one I know of.

The indicated part of the bodywork is not supplied with the kit so it's going to be interesting seeing how the air box fits.

The monocoque is in upper and lower halves and as you can see needs some serious work to make it look presentable. To do the job properly requires the halves to be mated first before sanding and painting.



However, the front suspension and drivers seat have to be installed first.!!!



The seat is not a problem, as by cutting off the head rest, it can be inserted afterwards and then have the headrest glued back on.

The only way I can see around the suspension problem, is to insert it, spray the body and brush paint the suspension afterwards. Not so bad as its all satin black anyway!!!

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PostSubject: Re: 1972 Marlboro BRM P160 F1   Sun 28 Jul 2013, 8:52 pm

Terrible fit on the body parts. I am sure you will work it out, you always do.  001 
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PostSubject: Re: 1972 Marlboro BRM P160 F1   Mon 29 Jul 2013, 2:27 am

Entex was a disappointment to me when I risked my $$ on a sports car way back when. No engine and detail was so-so. For a race car, and a rare one, it is worth it for a great collection. Best of luck, take yr time.
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PostSubject: Re: 1972 Marlboro BRM P160 F1   Mon 29 Jul 2013, 6:19 pm

I got the tub to the stage where it's ready for paint. Just need a tad more clean up on the suspension arms first.




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PostSubject: Re: 1972 Marlboro BRM P160 F1   Mon 29 Jul 2013, 11:21 pm

Looking good, Al.
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PostSubject: Re: 1972 Marlboro BRM P160 F1   Mon 29 Jul 2013, 11:57 pm

Looks O.K. Glad it went together as nice as it looks now!
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PostSubject: Re: 1972 Marlboro BRM P160 F1   Tue 30 Jul 2013, 12:26 am

That tub looks great now , Al

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PostSubject: Re: 1972 Marlboro BRM P160 F1   Wed 31 Jul 2013, 2:53 pm

Thanks everyone.

The tyres on this thing are something of  joke.

They appear to have a longitudinal tread pattern, reminiscent of the dry tyres in F1 in the early naughties. All wrong for the seventies. I tried sanding them off but the material seems to be somewhere between vinyl and styrene, and is very hard to sand. In the end I just reduced it some.



Even worse, this is the rear!!!!!:



Fortunately, a little while back I bought a set of Wad punches and was able to punch out some circles of thick styrene. They still needed to be turned down a tad to enable them to fit.



It's a far from perfect solution but I think one that, when painted, will look a whole heap better than hollow backed tyres.

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PostSubject: Re: 1972 Marlboro BRM P160 F1   Wed 31 Jul 2013, 4:10 pm

Entex was sub-par in models then. Probably best to do what you're doing. My suggestion would have been maybe using parts from an old Indy glue bomb or such. Tires, brakes were similar and would save time. Good luck, a good paint job and decals and the shortcomings are less noticed!
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PostSubject: Re: 1972 Marlboro BRM P160 F1   Wed 31 Jul 2013, 9:04 pm

The engineering of this kit is crappy at best my friend. I'm sure your skills will prevail in the end. Have you considered using bicycle tire tubing to cover the rear of the tires? It is rubber after all but I don't know how much work would be involved to make it look right.
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PostSubject: Re: 1972 Marlboro BRM P160 F1   Wed 31 Jul 2013, 10:10 pm

That's unfortunately for the tires, harron68 has a good idea too! Another thing that you can try is to use some putty for make them flat, and then paint them.
The tires are plastic or rubberish material?
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PostSubject: Re: 1972 Marlboro BRM P160 F1   Wed 31 Jul 2013, 10:28 pm

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The tires are plastic or rubberish material?

Briz, they are somewhere between styrene and rubber

Thanks guys for the suggestions but I'm already ahead of you.

I just coudn't live with that so called 'tread' pattern. Badly rendered and totally and utterly wrong. Something had to be done.

I thought I'd try to replicate a set of slicks at or near to the end of their life. To this  end, I sprayed a thick coat of matt black paint, then rolled the tyre in the cheapskate modellers CA accelerant, baking soda.

When the paint was dry, I blew away the excess baking powder, and sprayed another coat of paint, followed by another to properly seal the baking powder to the tyre.

I think it looks pretty good and is at least a huge improvement over the original.


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PostSubject: Re: 1972 Marlboro BRM P160 F1   Wed 31 Jul 2013, 10:30 pm

I agree it looks much better.
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PostSubject: Re: 1972 Marlboro BRM P160 F1   Thu 01 Aug 2013, 12:41 am

The tire looks great!!! And they are spot on after a racing day! I remember every time we were going to see F1 race in Italy, pick up some piece of tires. :D Kids... :D
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PostSubject: Re: 1972 Marlboro BRM P160 F1   Thu 01 Aug 2013, 11:51 am

Nice save, Skid !!
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PostSubject: Re: 1972 Marlboro BRM P160 F1   Thu 01 Aug 2013, 11:33 pm

Those tyres looked like they where straight of a '70s kids toy. Nice save Al.
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PostSubject: Re: 1972 Marlboro BRM P160 F1   Fri 02 Aug 2013, 12:14 am

Thanks all.

Well, since I did the tyres I just couldn't leave it without any brakes, so I scratched up a set of discs and four pot callipers. Lookout for further developments on the tyres next time.


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PostSubject: Re: 1972 Marlboro BRM P160 F1   Fri 02 Aug 2013, 4:35 pm

Looking good!
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PostSubject: Re: 1972 Marlboro BRM P160 F1   Fri 02 Aug 2013, 6:05 pm

Brakes look great. Nice work Al.
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PostSubject: Re: 1972 Marlboro BRM P160 F1   Sat 03 Aug 2013, 2:08 am

Nice work on the brakes Al!
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PostSubject: Re: 1972 Marlboro BRM P160 F1   Sun 04 Aug 2013, 11:02 am

Thanks guys. They were fun to do even if the studs do look a bit clunky!!

My biggest dread ever since opening this kit, has been the decals.

They are not many and nor are they complex. The problem lay in their age. I don't know how old they are but my guess would be at least 30 years. They looked dry, brittle and have a flat finish!!!

My fears were confirmed. VERY difficult to apply and they kept breaking up which meant I had to do some touch in. Got some crinkles too.

Still, I did the best I could with them and they are what they are.






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PostSubject: Re: 1972 Marlboro BRM P160 F1   Sun 04 Aug 2013, 1:11 pm

Fantastic paint masking and decals! Brakes...very good, a tutorial on how you did them would be good. Thanx for raising the level of the kit to museum quality! Great pix too!
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PostSubject: Re: 1972 Marlboro BRM P160 F1   Sun 04 Aug 2013, 5:16 pm

Really looks good with color on it. The decals look good. You would never believe there was a problem with them.
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PostSubject: Re: 1972 Marlboro BRM P160 F1   Tue 13 Aug 2013, 10:14 pm

as usual great work Al nice save on the tires with the baking soda (owrks geat to add texture on interior seats, flooring etc. as well) For working with 30 year old decals I would have never known by the pics you posted .....it looks great.


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